Why the hell can you not use the quote button? You fail our internet savvy tech criteria.
antielitist wrote: I am saying basically that Spike Flail is an elitist guild that has a moronic application process that does NOT WORK.
Um, apparently it does work for us since we've been relatively successful. We're a 10m guild with a 14 person roster atm. Why the fuck should we not be picky when picking someone up and Trialing them means we sit one of our vetted raid members who's already sits out 1/3 of the time? We're not falling apart, we're not desperate for people. So why pick up people's skill is less than ours?
And yes, we are elitist. So is every serious progression guild. You don't get to cutting edge progression by taking in everyone and anyone.
First off Martr or whatever the fuck you call yourself what argument have you actually made? All applicants since 2009 have not been accepted for the stupidist reasons.
You're an idiot because people have proved you wrong multiple times. Btw, our last accepted Trial? May 2010, the end of ICC. A month later we took a break from the game until Cata, went 10m, and had little reason to recruit until a month ago. Keep acting like you know what you're talking about though, based on public forum information. Because you konw, there's no way we've ever moved things to private forums...
Also there was an applicant who applied last year who was actually a Spike Flail guild member who pretended to not be in the guild. You wanna talk shit pal, no problem!
Oh you mean the one that was a joke? Great example.
It's also very easy to make a video of your character playing,which doesn't require extreme hardware.
I don't get you. Making a video takes as long and as much work as someone filling out a proper application. Yes while a video would answer some things, it doesn't answer everything we look for in an applicant.
I know because somebody posted a scathing rebuke of your guild on Wowinsider and so i came here sometime back. I noticed nobody got accepted. Applicants were turned away for having a gathering profession or a player showing an image of his ui(he was a clicker,omfg!) If you are looking for intelligent persons then demand a video.That will prove right off the bat what you can see.Make it clear what you want IN THE VIDEO. So there is no misunderstanding........
Wait wait wait wait wait wait. What's YOUR Progression if you really thinking gathering professions and being a clicker are worthy of a top tier progression guild? And why do you think someone who is dumb enough to apply to a top end raiding guild without fully maximizing their character will know how to record a video? Most of these people who apply to us with gathering professions or only Normal mode experience need help applying because they don't know how to read the stickies to find out how to apply.
So let's say we did do things your way. We were more lenient with recruitment, let anyone in to test themselves in our raids, regardless if their application was subpar or not. We ask these people to server change and possibly faction change, costing them anywhere from $25-55 dollars just to Trial with us. They come into our raids and we try to find a place for them during progression to see how they perform. On farm bosses we sit one of our established players who probably still needs drops to test these new Trials, who end up sucking balls as we predicted they would. We give them a shot for the full 2-3 weeks or w/e, losing valuable raid progression time on needless wipes caused by trying to test out these Trials we accepted so readily. Finally in the end we see they're not up to our standards and fail them, leaving them stranded on a new server/faction with nothing to show for it. They wasted money, we waste gear opportunities, and everyone wasted time.
How exactly do you see this being more fair than being picky at the start? A lot of high end guilds do exactly as you suggested, and handle it in the above manner. Recruit a lot of people, if they suck they boot them at the first moment of failure. That's pretty inhumane IMO. I'd rather ask the applicant to put a little more time into the application process, you know, BEFORE they spend $25-55 dollars, and be harsh there than lenient in the application process and hard on the Trial. For the record, our Trial success rate is over 90%. If someone makes it through this long tedious process you so vehemently are against, there's a very good chance they're the type of person we want and will not fail. Not only that, if someone has put in that much effort to impress us, we're going to be more lenient with them during the Trial on fights they haven't seen, etc.
Most applications i've read seem pretty good to me.
You're clearly not us. If you were part of this guild, we'd care about your opinion. You're not.
It baffles me you think that players who would bog down our progression are people we should be taking so readily and giving chances to, that its OK for a guild trying to push top kills to take in players with no professions, clickers, etc. You may think our questions are silly, but every single question in there was added because we had a failure of a previous Trial we didn't forsee in our app process. We didn't ask for UI screen-shots until we Trialed someone who was using the basic UI and was keyboard turning/clicking. We didn't ask about dual spec theorycraft until one guy who said he could play his offspec turned out to never have even used it. Every question is a culmination of 3+ years of experience doing this. We actually do know what we're doing.
Here's a question for you. Why do you care? Its our standards, if they're too stringent and we fall apart as a guild because of it, then that's on us. It'd be oru own fault. But we've had very good success with our standards since the beginning of WoLK, and have had no reason to look back. Just because you don't feel it's fair that mouth breathers with 12/12 6/7 Normal experience don't make it into our top 10 US 10m guild raids... well that's not even worth qualifying.